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		<title>When are Credit Card Debts at Risk for a Bankruptcy Challenge</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nine times out of ten, when I meet with a potential bankruptcy client, that individual will have credit card debts.  In some cases, credit card debt can be startlingly large &#8211; I have seen many cases that include over $100,000 of credit card debt.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nine times out of ten, when I meet with a potential bankruptcy client, that individual will have credit card debts.  In some cases, credit card debt can be startlingly large &#8211; I have seen many cases that include over $100,000 of credit card debt.</p>

<p>As you may suspect, the bankruptcy law provides that credit card lenders can challenge your discharge in certain circumstances.   You cannot, for example, go to an electronics superstore, buy a flat panel television and a $10,000 stereo system using your credit card, then file a bankruptcy the next week to wipe out the debt.</p>

<p>The Bankruptcy Code speaks to two situations in which credit card debt to a specific credit card lender can be declared non-dischargeable:<span id="more-239"></span></p>

<h3>Recently incurred credit card debts</h3>

<p>Bankruptcy Code Section  523(a)(2)(c) provides that the following debts are <strong>presumed non-dischargeable</strong>:</p>

<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span class="ptext-5">(I) consumer debts owed to a single creditor and aggregating more than $500 for luxury goods or services incurred by an individual debtor on or within 90 days before the order for relief under this title are presumed to be nondischargeable; and </span> <a name="a_2_C_i_II"></a></p>

<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span class="enumbell">(II)</span> <span class="ptext-5">cash advances aggregating more than $750 that are extensions of consumer credit under an open end credit plan obtained by an individual debtor on or within 70 days before the order for relief under this title, are presumed to be nondischargeable</span></p>

<h3>Credit Card Debts Incurred by Fraud or with No Realistic Expectation to Repay</h3>

<p>Bankruptcy Code Section 523(a)(2)(b) <strong>allows a creditor to challenge the discharge</strong> of the following types of debts:</p>

<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span class="enumbell">(A)</span> <span class="ptext-3">[debts incurred by] false pretenses, a false representation, or actual fraud, other than a statement respecting the debtor’s or an insider’s financial condition; </span></p>

<div class="psection-3"><a name="a_2_B"></a> <span class="enumbell">(B)</span> <span class="ptext-3">use of a statement in writing— </span>
<div class="psection-4" style="padding-left: 30px;"><a name="a_2_B_i"></a> <span class="enumbell">(i)</span> <span class="ptext-4">that is materially false; </span></div>
<div class="psection-4" style="padding-left: 30px;"><a name="a_2_B_ii"></a> <span class="enumbell">(ii)</span> <span class="ptext-4">respecting the debtor’s or an insider’s financial condition; </span></div>
<div class="psection-4" style="padding-left: 30px;"><a name="a_2_B_iii"></a> <span class="enumbell">(iii)</span> <span class="ptext-4">on which the creditor to whom the debtor is liable for such money, property, services, or credit reasonably relied; and </span></div>
<div class="psection-4" style="padding-left: 30px;"><a name="a_2_B_iv"></a> <span class="enumbell">(iv)</span> <span class="ptext-4">that the debtor caused to be made or published with intent to deceive </span></div>
<p class="psection-4">As you can see, very recent debts like &#034;credit card binge&#034; debts are automatically presumed non-dischargeable, while just slightly older debts are presumed dischargeable, but can be subject to challenge.</p>
<p class="psection-4">As you might imagine, Section 523(a)(2)(b) results in a lot more litigation.  When my clients ask for my take about this, I respond that my rule of thumb has been that if you owe more than $15,000 to any one creditor, a live person in the loss mitigation division of that lender is going to look at your account.</p>
<p class="psection-4">My colleague <a title="Cathy Moran" href="http://www.moranlaw.net/attorneys.htm" target="_blank">Cathy Moran</a>, a <a title="California bankruptcy attorney" href="http://www.moranlaw.net/" target="_blank">California bankruptcy lawyer</a> who also writes for the <a title="Bankruptcy Law Network" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com" target="_blank">Bankruptcy Law Network</a>, has a useful post that offers more detail about <a title="When is credit card debt dischargeable" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/2008/12/06/the-trick-to-discharging-credit-card-debt-part-two/" target="_blank">when your credit card account may be at risk for triggering a challenge</a>.</p>
<p class="psection-4">As I explain to my clients, you want to avoid litigation, even if you think you can win.  Bankruptcy litigation can get very expensive very quickly so taking the time to identify the risk factors and discussing strategies with your lawyer to minimize that risk will serve you well.</p>

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		<title>Recent Credit Card Use and Filing for Bankruptcy &#8211; What Are Some Guidelines?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most bankruptcy lawyers will tell you that credit card contributes to most consumer bankruptcy case filings.&#160; Often, overwhelming credit card debt is the primary reason for a filing.&#160; For example, if you have $10,000 or more in credit card debt, and you send in only the minimum payment of 2% of the balance each month, you will need over 50 years to pay off your debt.&#160; You can run your own numbers using an <a rel="external" href="http://www.debtsteps.com/minimum-payment-credit-card-calculator.html" target="_blank">on-line credit card interest calculator</a>.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most bankruptcy lawyers will tell you that credit card contributes to most consumer bankruptcy case filings.&nbsp; Often, overwhelming credit card debt is the primary reason for a filing.&nbsp; For example, if you have $10,000 or more in credit card debt, and you send in only the minimum payment of 2% of the balance each month, you will need over 50 years to pay off your debt.&nbsp; You can run your own numbers using an <a rel="external" href="http://www.debtsteps.com/minimum-payment-credit-card-calculator.html" target="_blank">on-line credit card interest calculator</a>.</p>

<p>Many people use credit cards as a means of survival.&nbsp; Frequently, therefore, I see clients who desperately need to file bankruptcy but have used credit cards recently.&nbsp; Not surprisingly, recent credit card use prior to bankruptcy is a problem &#8211; but just how big of a problem is it?</p>

<p>I recently received this question from a reader of my blog:</p>

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<p>Hello, I had a question about chapter 7 bankruptcy. If I incur a lot of debt on my credit cards (like $30,000 worth) four or five months before declaring bankruptcy (for business expenses), could this be considered Bankruptcy Fraud?&nbsp; In Massachusetts, the lookback period for credit cards is 90 days, but can it be extended further?</p>
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<p><u>Here is my answer:</u>&nbsp; <a rel="external" href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/11/usc_sec_11_00000523----000-.html" target="_blank">Bankruptcy Code Section 523</a> addresses this situation.&nbsp; Section 523(a)(2) provides that:</p>

<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span class="ptext-5">consumer debts owed to a single creditor and aggregating more than $500 for luxury goods or services incurred by an individual debtor on or within 90 days before the order for relief under this title are presumed to be nondischargeable; and </span></p>

<div class="psection-5" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span class="ptext-5">cash advances aggregating more than $750 that are extensions of consumer credit under an open end credit plan obtained by an individual debtor on or within 70 days before the order for relief under this title, are presumed to be nondischargeable;<br />
</span></div>

<div class="psection-5" style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5"><span class="ptext-5">The Code also provides that </span><span class="ptext-5">the term &ldquo;luxury goods or services&rdquo; does not include goods or services reasonably necessary for the support or maintenance of the debtor or a dependent of the debtor.</span></div>

<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5"><span class="ptext-5">However, Code Section 523(a)(2) also includes another test to determine the dischargeability of credit card debt.&nbsp; The following debts are non-dischargeable: </span>&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">
<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span class="ptext-2">money, property, services, or an extension, renewal, or refinancing of credit, to the extent obtained by&mdash; </span></p>
<div class="psection-3" style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp; <span class="enumbell">(A)</span> <span class="ptext-3">false pretenses, a false representation, or actual fraud, other than a statement respecting the debtor&rsquo;s or an insider&rsquo;s financial condition; </span></div>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp;   <span class="enumbell">(B)</span> <span class="ptext-3">use of a statement in writing&mdash; </span></p>
<div class="psection-4" style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="enumbell">(i)</span> <span class="ptext-4">that is materially false; </span></div>
<div class="psection-4" style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span class="enumbell">(ii)</span> <span class="ptext-4">respecting the debtor&rsquo;s or an insider&rsquo;s financial condition; </span></div>
<div class="psection-4" style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="enumbell">(iii)</span> <span class="ptext-4">on which the creditor to whom the debtor is liable for such money, property, services, or credit reasonably relied; and&nbsp;</span><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="enumbell"> &nbsp;&nbsp; (iv)</span> <span class="ptext-4">that the debtor caused to be made or published with intent to deceive;<br />
</span></div>
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<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">So, what the Code provides is that non-essential credit card debts to any one creditor totaling $500 or more and incurred within 90 days prior to filing are <i>presumed</i> non-dischargeable.&nbsp; And credit card debts of any amount, incurred at any time prior to filing may be deemed non-dischargeable if the creditor can prove that the debt was incurred under false pretenses (i.e., that the consumer used the card when he knew or should have known that he would be unable to pay back the debt).</div>

<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">The 90 day/$500 debt to any one creditor is a fairly easy argument for the credit card companies &#8211; those are hard to defend.&nbsp; The false pretenses/false representation issue is more difficult for a credit card company to win because they have to prove what you knew or should have known.</div>

<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">Remember, however, that if the credit card lender files an objection, you have to pay a lawyer to respond and defend it &#8211; which can get expensive.</div>

<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">My practice, therefore, is to hold off on filing for as long as I can following my client&#039;s last use of credit cards.&nbsp; I also encourage my clients to make at least the minimum payment for several months while we are waiting to demonstrate good faith.&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">&nbsp;</div>

<div class="psection-5">If you find yourself using credit cards to pay household expenses, that should be a signal to you that you have a debt problem and need to speak with a bankruptcy lawyer.&nbsp; If you find yourself in a bankruptcy lawyer&#039;s office, you should think very carefully about using credit cards thereafter.&nbsp;</div>

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		<description><![CDATA[My <a rel="external" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com" target="_blank">Bankruptcy Law Network</a> colleague, <a rel="external" href="http://www.stlbankruptcy.com/Wendell.html" target="_blank">Wendell Sherk</a>, recently posted a <a rel="external" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/2008/03/26/credit-cards-and-bankruptcy-beware-recent-use/" target="_blank">very helpful case study about a case called In re Brumbaugh</a> in Ohio involving credit card use prior to bankruptcy.&#160; Although Wendell&#039;s case study looks to 6th Circuit law (whereas cases filed in Georgia would look to 11th Circuit precedent), I think that the reasoning used by the judge in the Brumbaugh case can give you some insight as to how bankruptcy judges deal with real life situations.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My <a rel="external" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com" target="_blank">Bankruptcy Law Network</a> colleague, <a rel="external" href="http://www.stlbankruptcy.com/Wendell.html" target="_blank">Wendell Sherk</a>, recently posted a <a rel="external" href="http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/2008/03/26/credit-cards-and-bankruptcy-beware-recent-use/" target="_blank">very helpful case study about a case called In re Brumbaugh</a> in Ohio involving credit card use prior to bankruptcy.&nbsp; Although Wendell&#039;s case study looks to 6th Circuit law (whereas cases filed in Georgia would look to 11th Circuit precedent), I think that the reasoning used by the judge in the Brumbaugh case can give you some insight as to how bankruptcy judges deal with real life situations.</p>

<p>In the Brumbaugh case, a debtor transferred an $18,000 balance from a high interest credit card to a new Chase credit card.&nbsp; The debtor also used the Chase card for several small retail purchases including a few purchases made after she spoke to a bankruptcy lawyer.</p>

<p>After the debtor filed for bankruptcy, Chase filed a lawsuit in bankruptcy court (called a Complaint to Determine Dischargeability of a Debt) to argue that the entire $18,000 balance should be deemed &quot;non-dischargeable&quot; by the bankruptcy judge.&nbsp; In other words, Chase wanted its claim to survive the bankruptcy and not be discharged.</p>

<p>Despite a fact pattern that looked pretty bleak for Mrs. Brumbaugh, the bankruptcy judge ruled against Chase.&nbsp; While recognizing that this was a close call, the judge ruled in favor of the debtor because of the following:</p>

<ol>
    <li>most of the $18,000 balance was in the nature of a balance transfer, not new charges &#8211; under the bankruptcy law, balance transfers are not treated like new purchases</li>
    <li>the debtor made the transfer in response to a Chase offer that gave her 0% interest</li>
    <li>the transfer was made by the debtor who was going through a divorce and the debtor saw the lowered interest rate as necessary to get her financial house in order</li>
    <li>the debtor and her spouse were trying to sell their house and planned to use the proceeds to pay down this debt.&nbsp; The house did not sell, but the judge believed that the debtor had a reasonable plan</li>
    <li>the debtor made payments to chase after the transfer &#8211; debtors who plan to defraud a creditor rarely make payments.</li>
</ol>

<p>Obviously, not every judge would rule the same way as the judge did in the Brumbaugh case.&nbsp; And Mrs. Brumbaugh had to pay a lawyer to defend her in this litigation.&nbsp; My feeling is that if Mrs. Brumbaugh had been even slightly less credible and sympathetic, she would have lost.</p>

<p>Wendell closes his post by repeating a warning that I have been giving for years &#8211; if bankruptcy is an option, even a remote option, be very careful about making any significant financial moves until you have spoken to a lawyer.&nbsp; For information about <a rel="external" href="http://www.stlbankruptcy.com/" target="_blank">bankruptcy in St. Louis</a>, take a look at Wendell&#039;s web site.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[This morning, I received an email from a potential client who made a very bad decision that will likely keep him from filing Chapter 7 for six months to a year.&#160; Other than this one mistake, he is a clear Chapter 7 candidate:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning, I received an email from a potential client who made a very bad decision that will likely keep him from filing Chapter 7 for six months to a year.&nbsp; Other than this one mistake, he is a clear Chapter 7 candidate:</p>

<ul>
    <li>his household income is below the median &#8211; so we do not have to deal with the means test</li>
    <li>his house is modest &#8211; valued at around $120,000 with mortgage debt equal to or above the value.&nbsp; He is also prepared to surrender his house</li>
    <li>he has $70,000 in credit card bills &#8211; all fairly old</li>
    <li>he has $1,000 of medical debt</li>
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<p>What, then, is the problem?</p>

<p><span id="more-124"></span></p>

<p>In February and March, my potential client&nbsp; transferred the balance on several of his credit cards to new cards with lower interest rates.&nbsp; Now, instead of having a lot of old debt, he has brand new debt in the form of what amounts to a cash advance.</p>

<p><strike>Section 523 of the Bankruptcy Code says that cash advances totaling more than $750 within the 70 days prior to filing are presumed non-dischargeable.&nbsp;</strike> (Jonathan notes that several astute readers emailed me to correct my error regarding the presumption of non-dischargeability for cash advances.&nbsp;&nbsp; Cash advances in the weeks prior to filing bankruptcy are still not a good idea )&nbsp; The transferee card issuer could object on the grounds that when the balances were transferred, my potential client knew or should have known that he was insolvent and that he would not be able to pay back these new debts.</p>

<p>My advice &#8211; start making minimum payments.&nbsp; Do so for at least 6 months, or a year, if possible.&nbsp; Even then, there is some risk, but after a year of making payments he would have a &quot;good faith paper trail.&quot;</p>

<p>The lesson here &#8211; if you find yourself in significant debt, think very carefully about making any significant financial moves.&nbsp; Seek professional counsel.&nbsp; Several times a month, I meet with people for a bankruptcy consultation and we end up deciding that bankruptcy is not the right move right now.&nbsp; More importantly, I advise these folks what not to do and how to avoid making a bad situation worse.&nbsp; Quite frankly, these type of clients get real value out of their consultations and I encourage anyone who thinks that there is a 1% chance of bankruptcy to spend an hour with a bankruptcy lawyer.</p>

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		<title>What Prompts a Dischargeability Objection by a Credit Card Lender?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I think you have a very insightful blog about bankruptcy issues. I refer your blog to the bankruptcyforum.com sight to all the guest and members there. I&#8217;m just curious on your opinion to my following Bk Trip. I was working 2 full time jobs, making about 65g&#8217;s a year, I filed Bk13 (was in a no asset, unsecured cc debt/loans (unsecured) for about 65-70gs) My last cash advances were May 06 (minimal one for $500) in April 06 (big one for $4000-6000). Brief outline from the last cash advances to date of filing:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I think you have a very insightful blog about bankruptcy issues. I refer your blog to the bankruptcyforum.com sight to all the guest and members there. I&rsquo;m just curious on your opinion to my following Bk Trip. I was working 2 full time jobs, making about 65g&rsquo;s a year, I filed Bk13 (was in a no asset, unsecured cc debt/loans (unsecured) for about 65-70gs) My last cash advances were May 06 (minimal one for $500) in April 06 (big one for $4000-6000). Brief outline from the last cash advances to date of filing:</p>

<p>April &#8211; cash advance of about 4-6gs&rsquo;<br />
May &#8211; cash advance of about $500<br />
July &#8211; filed Bk 13 end of July<br />
Aug &#8211; Ch13 341 Meeting<br />
* Trustee objected to my &ldquo;good-faith,&rdquo; payback of $250 a month *<br />
The Median Test proved I was not in presumption of abuse and I had negative -$60 disposable income, Schedule I and J proved I had $800<br />
October &#8211; Objection to confirmation goes Easter District, state of Virginia Judge<br />
* Judge did not want say yay or nea and wanted me to re-submit another plan, Judge mentioned I was not forced to work 2 jobs, I could quit one and convert to Ch13, or I could resubmit a new plan * It only made sense for me to quit one job than have to payback $800 bucks for the next 5 years *<br />
Oct &#8211; I quit one job, converted to Ch7<br />
Nov &#8211; Ch7 341 meeting<br />
Now I&rsquo;m just waiting to discharge (hopefully by January) last day for creditor objections Jan 8, 2007</p>

<p>At the time I was in Ch13, I didn&rsquo;t hear of any objections from creditors or even a peep about my recent cash advances from April-May. (due to being a gambler) I thought it my Bk would be a big issue. Not a peep about that either. Now that I&rsquo;ve converted to Ch7 and another 60 day to objection starts over. My concern is what are the chances of objection/adversary&rsquo;s coming up from creditors. My thoughts are this, I haven&rsquo;t paid any of them since June/July its been IF you count from MAY until now (DEC) about 6-7 months since my last cash advance (I think its like 180 days one should wait if they&rsquo;ve had heavy spending on their credit cards &#8211; and since mine were cash advances due to gambling &#8211; I would think it would be a big issue!)</p>

<p>What are your thoughts?</p>

<p>Thanks, Mickey aka Catchmeifyoucan <br />
</p>

<p><br />
<u> Jonathan Ginsberg responds:&nbsp;</u> Mickey, thanks for the kind words.&nbsp; To answer your question&#8230;.my experience has been that most credit card lenders will not object to dischargeability if the total debt owed to that particular creditor is $15,000 or less.&nbsp; I suspect that the cost of retaining counsel and pursuing smaller claims is too high.&nbsp; I also think that the more time between your use of the cards, the better.&nbsp; Here, you have a fairly large cash advance in April, but you do have a good faith payment in May, then a Chapter 13.&nbsp; You did not say how large your total balances are to any particular lender.<br />
<br />
Under the old law, debts that were not dischargeable in a 7 would be dischargeable in a 13.&nbsp; That has now changed but I have not seen much of a change by the credit card lenders.&nbsp; Here, because your loans were most likely coded as a Chapter 13, you may slip through the cracks.&nbsp; This is even more likely if your case was filed in a busy filing district.<br />
<br />
If the bankruptcy specialist at the credit card company wakes up, he would see that his company does have leverage to push you into some sort of a payback settlement.&nbsp; However, if you have not heard anything by now, you may be under the radar.<br />
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just when I thought I had seen it all, today&#39;s mail brought a credit card promotion called &#34;Upfront Rewards&#34; from a credit card issuing bank.&#160; The promotion offers immediate delivery of a Dell laptop if the applicant agrees to transfer an existing $5,000 balance and &#34;maintain a minimum balance of $3,500 for at least 18 months.&#160; Should the balance fall below $3,500 then the card will be charged a flat $600 fee.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I thought I had seen it all, today&#39;s mail brought a credit card promotion called &quot;Upfront Rewards&quot; from a credit card issuing bank.&nbsp; The promotion offers immediate delivery of a Dell laptop if the applicant agrees to transfer an existing $5,000 balance and &quot;maintain a minimum balance of $3,500 for at least 18 months.&nbsp; Should the balance fall below $3,500 then the card will be charged a flat $600 fee.</p>

<p>An analysis of this promotion suggests that it is not quite the deal it seems to be.&nbsp; Firstly, this Dell laptop (which the promotion calls an $850 value) is going for around $400 on eBay (for a new machine).</p>

<p>So, if you take this deal and your balance falls below $3,500 you would be slapped with a $600 charge in addition to whatever interest you had already paid.</p>

<p>Now, if you are very disciplined and you maintained a $3,500 balance at the current 9.9% rate (although the card rate is &quot;variable&quot; with a rate of 3.49% to the Prime Rate on purchases and 11.99% on cash advances, what happens?</p>

<p>According to my amortization calculations 18 months of interest on a $3,500 balance at 9.9% results in a charge of $280.72 of interest.&nbsp; So the minimum you are paying for this promotion would be $280.72.&nbsp; Of course the issuer is assuming that you will not be so disciplined and will use the card and build up a balance of more than $3,500.&nbsp; In a best case scenario, you would save $100 or so from the eBay cost of a new Dell (slightly used models can be had for less) but you would absorb 18 months of risk for delinquency or early payoff charges.&nbsp; And, of course, in 18 months, your laptop will be worth about $50 if you are lucky.</p>

<p>If you do not pay down your initial $5,000 balance and pay interest on it for 18 months, then your interest cost jumps to $534.12, which, of course, is more than the open market cost of the Dell.&nbsp;</p>

<p>I must say that this promotion got me to open the direct mail piece, even if this is not a deal I could recommend.&nbsp; I will keep my eyes open for the first time I see one of these accounts in a bankruptcy that I file for a client.</p>

<p>&#8211;Jonathan</p>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I wanted to get an opinion on whether I can file or  not. I spoke with another attorney <br /> who stated that I needed to wait for awhile because I have recently used  my credit cards. <br /> I was hoping to get a second opinion from you as the sooner I can file,  the better.<br /> &#8211;Aaron

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I wanted to get an opinion on whether I can file or  not. I spoke with another attorney <br /> who stated that I needed to wait for awhile because I have recently used  my credit cards. <br /> I was hoping to get a second opinion from you as the sooner I can file,  the better.<br /> &#8211;Aaron</p>

<p>Jonathan Ginsberg responds: Aaron, there are two potential problem areas you may face:</p>

<p>The first arises from <a rel="external" href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode11/usc_sec_11_00000523----000-.html" target="_blank" title="Section 523 of Bankruptcy Code">Bankruptcy Code Section 523(a)</a>, which provides that there is a presumption of non-dischargeability for the following debts:</p>

<p>- consumer debts owed to a single creditor totaling more than $500 for &quot;luxury goods or services&quot; incurred w/in 90 days of filing;<br />  &#8211; cash advances totaling $750 within 70 days of filing</p>

<p>My experience has been that under the new law, most credit card lenders will be very quick to file an objection to discharge of debt if your recent debt falls into this category</p>

<p>Secondly, Section 523 also says that debts incurred under &quot;false pretenses&quot; or with a &quot;false representation&quot; may be non-dischargeable.&nbsp; This means that no matter when the (credit card) debt was incurred, the credit card company can challenge discharge if they can prove that you knew or should have known that you would not be able to pay the debt when you incurred it.</p>

<p>Ever since the October 17, 2005 effective date of the new law, I have seen a steady increase in the number of challenges by credit card companies.&nbsp; Most of these cases settle because debtors in bankruptcy do not have the funds to pay a lawyer to fight the discharge action.</p>

<p>So, I fall back on the same advice I have been giving my clients for almost 20 years:</p>

<ol>   <li>as a general rule, if the total debt owed to a particular creditor is $15,000 or less, and you are outside the 90 day window of Section 523, your case probably will not hit the radar of the credit card lender<br />     <br />   </li>   <li>if you can put 6 months between your last use of the card and filing for bankruptcy, your odds improve dramatically<br />     <br />   </li>   <li>during the time your case is &quot;ageing,&quot; you should consider making a regular payment (even if it is $15 or $20 per month).&nbsp; Even this small payment shows good faith and may delay the filing of a collection lawsuit.&nbsp; And if you should come into money and want to pay off the debt your account will not be in &quot;non-payment&quot; status.</li> </ol>

<p>&#8211;Jonathan&nbsp;</p>

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